Fellowship of Christian Beaglers

[sudl0w]

Is there a such thing. If not how can we get one started.

Have a great day. Dean and Taylor Glover: Sudlow Creek Beagles

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[ROBERT H. GATES]

DEAN and Taylor Glover. I can only tell you what I know . Feild trial beagles are really hard for a man to follow GOD and serve these beagles. Read the posting of some of these brothers and you can see going to church has not bothered them. Please if you hear of anything let me know , I need that as much as anyone there is. God bless and watch over you. bob gates

[sudl0w]

I use to be that way but I have found it much better if you let God have control, the beagling will get even better. My patience and frustrating is a lot better.

Dean

[sudl0w]

btt

[bgalmania]

Dean and Robert,

Sometimes I feel like I am cheating God by spending time running dogs and doing things that takes me away from doing His work. Do you ever feel that way. I'm just not sure that if a man is truly serving God there would be any time left to follow these hounds. I am surprised that this post did not get any more replies than what it did. I know there a lot of Christian men and women on this board that love to run hounds. I rationale the time that I use by saying that it is my quiet time for myself, but I find that I spend more time beagling than I do studying God's word. I fiqure that if we belong to God and are not doing what is right, He will start convicting us of the sin in our life. What do you think?

God bless,

Rick

[Buzz]

Something I saw at Homochitto Beagle Club several years ago really touched me. While they were in Meadville, Ms., on the Sunday morning of their licensed trial, they would have role call. Following that, while the packs were being drawn, the pastor of a local church that was only a mile or so from the club house, would give a 10-15 minute devotional. It did not promote any denomination, just an opportunity for beaglers to here the word of God. No one was made to feel they had to stay and listen, but I don't recall anyone ever walking away. Everyone was invited to go to the church's services if they had the time, just the way they were. It was as much for the members that normally didn't trial on Sundays, but were there to support their club, as anyone else. I haven't been to their trials in recent years, so I don't know if they still do that or not, but I sure hope they do. I wish every club would do that. If you were a part of making that happen and no one ever thanked you, I should have done it then, but I thank you now.

[Mag38num]

Rick,

I enjoyed reading your comments.

I'd like to take the time to give you my thoughts on this matter.

In my way of thinking,...

...serving the Lord is more than singing, praying, reading the Bible and attending church services.

To me, it is a way of life!

I think spending time with your dogs and even field trialing can be done in the name of the Lord.

"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

Colossians 3:17 - KJV

So go, hunt and run your dogs in the name of the Lord and remember to always give thanks.

After all, when you hunt you are following the pattern of Nimrod:

"And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD."

Genesis 10:8-9 - KJV

So again, go ahead and be a mighty hunter before the Lord.

You are like the Shepherd over Sheep!

Animals are precious creations and when domesticated need loving kindness and tender care (this includes spending time with them).

"A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast,..."

Proverbs 12:10 - KJV

[Steady Run]

Mag, Brian,
You are so right.The problems come when we go to a trial and forget God is the one who enables us to even get out of bed and go. it is a gift. If we get mad at the judges, mad at our dogs,begin to fuss and cuss and can no longer honer God in our persuits then we probably need to walk away but as long as we do not put beagling before God we will be alright.

God bless

Don

[Bev]

This is something I rarely speak on, but I can remember many a Sunday when Church services were over that we headed to the lake for a day of fishing, skiing, or whatever. I always wondered where in the Bible that it said 9 - noon was for church, noon to bedtime was for whatever. Now that I'm an old fart, in retrospect, I think this is a man-made restriction.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 20:8-11 (RSV)

I dunno about everyone else, but I interpret this as "no work"...i.e., no showing up at the factory, no hooking your mule to the plow... It's your day to rest and ENJOY it as you will. Our God is a GENEROUS God who loves us, and wants us to be happy and enjoy the fruits of our labor. He has given us a day in which to do this. To me, Sunday is the perfect day to go to a field trial - your recreation, your dog's recreation. All he asks is that we remember the Sabbath - to keep it holy. Those clubs which offer a prayer or dedication are keeping the Sabbath holy. "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, (even if it's just for a moment of prayer and thanksgiving) there am I in the midst of them." - Matthew 18:20. Those clubs and attendees who participate are remembering... and hopefully giving thanks for the opportunity of fellowship outside of work.

Nowhere in that verse do I see or interpret our loving God as saying, "Put your suit on and show up at the Franklin Road Baptist Church on Sunday from 9:30 am to 12:30 pm" or "I expect 19 Hail Marys and a baked ham at noon. "

Granted, with our work schedules, Sunday is the perfect day for people to gather together - to learn together, worship together, to give praise together. Some go every Sunday without fail; hopefully because they WANT to be there, and they need the "soul feeding", not because they feel guilty if they don't go. Others go every Sunday when they haven't made specific plans to do other things with their "play day." It's there if you want it or need it, or want to serve others on that day. Afterall, we draw strength from our fellow Christians, and what better place to find a large concentration of Christians than in church? I understand the concept of church in a different way I guess. I see church as a guidance tool, not necessarily a commandment.

If I ever sinned against the Sabbath, it wasn't the Sunday I went to a trial; it was the Sunday I worked 14 hours on the magazine, and there were plenty of those.

It's a very simple concept that some have made complicated out of a need to say 'Well, I went, so I should be good for the week." (and then feel horrible the week they don't go). Sabbath: A period of rest from work. Remember it, because the Lord himself took a Sabbath. Remember it and appreciate it, and give God the praise. Now, GO PLAY...or rest...or whatever you want to do outside of work! I'll never believe our Lord would begrudge us the gift he gave us - the day to ourselves called the Sabbath...as long as we remember.

[kyboy64]

I say this with respect for all. I hope I dont offend.
For starters the Sabbeth is not Sunday its Saturday, seventh or sabbeth. The command to keep it holy was given to the Jews under the old law, through Moses. Ofcourse we are no longer under the old law and are told that if we keep part of the law we must keep it all. Well I doubt anyone wants to start having to offer animal sacrifices to have your sins rolled back for a year. We are now under the new perfect law and Christ was the supreme sacrifice for the whole world.. Now if we intend to follow the example set forth by the apostles after the christian age was established we will see that the first day of the week was set aside to worship God. We are told in Hebrews 10 verse 25 not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together as is the manner of some but exhorting one another. Now I realize people like to put the 10 commandment in there front yard and it says to keep the sabbeth. That command was not carried over into the new law. the other nine can be found in the New Testiment. We are to come togather on the first day of the week and worship the Lord God, with singing and praises and exhort one another. We should want to be there and if possible be nowhere else. If we dont want that then our thinking is flawed. Im not saying you cant do anything else but church should be your first priority. Once again i say this with love . Ernie....

[Bev]

Ernie, I certainly take no offense. I don't think God is a nitpicker myself. The fact that we (as a majority of people in general) have set aside Sunday to worship Him is a very small thing. The fact that we worship and praise him is a very good thing. I think He will overlook it.

[Jim Heasley]

One of the biggest reason I enjoy running beagles is having the opportunity to be in the outdoors while enjoying Gods Creation. When time allows I do my best to prepare dogs for trials, but your right it does take a great deal of time to properly prepare them for trials.

I even enjoy the solitude more while bow hunting for deer, but my deer hunting has suffered some the last couple of years because of the amount of beagles I’m kenneling and training. Some people need more time than others to recoup, or in other words “refresh their spirit”. People get re-energized in different ways. I myself pray frequently, read the Bible, go to church usually at least once a week, and spend time in the outdoors. I will have to admit, I have slipped up some in the resent passed on reading the Bible regularly. Thats been bothering me lately.

[Mag38num]

Jim, go to a Christian Bookstore and get a Bible CD.

Then you can listen to it on the way to, and on the way home from running your dogs. HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

I agree with nearly everything Ernie said!

Not sure exactly how this post took the Sunday/Saturday/Sabbath detour (considering "bgalmania" stated nothing about missing Church to run dogs or trial on Sundays).

I agree with Ernie that one should attend services on a routine basis.

I also believe that there is a "happy medium".

You can go to Church and run dogs too.

It is all in the way you go about it. Try to find that "happy medium" for your life.

This will make you a well rounded individual.

[Bev]

I agree, Mag, and the CD idea is a good one. My sister does that, my mother did too when she was living. I think I'm the one who got us off track and on to the subject of church. I think it was because I was thinking of folks I know who won't attend a Sunday trial because they feel you should do nothing else on Sunday except go to church. I do recall they attended the 2000 World Hunt because there's a little chapel on the grounds down there at Threshermen's Park, and there was a minister who held a brief service at 6:00 am that morning for those who attend church without fail.

[barryrules99]

I'm new here and this subject should certainly not be a point of contention but I would just say this. Where would your soul be headed today if Jesus had found a happy medium on the way to the cross?

[ted]

Great Supject. In Romans 14-5 "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."---13 "Therefore let us not judge one another amy more, but rather determine this---not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

I would never want to be a stumbling block for another brother in the Lord.

Part of the problem is not feeling condemed by the Lord if I go to a trial on Sunday but the neglect of duties in my local church. I have just never felt it was a good witness to others to do it. I'm not saying that I won't ever trail on Sunday but would never make it a habit.

I love the concept of Friday and Saturday trials and support the Clubs that promote them. Some of the best times I ever had with my two boys was going to a field trial on Friday when I let them skip shcool.
Ted Jackson

[Bev]

barryrules99, what Jesus did we could never do. Praise God, he did it so we wouldn't have to.

Nice post, ted.

[Haire-Bear]

Nice post, I made a decision to go to all 13" hounds because the trials around here the 13's usually run on saturday so I can go to church on Sunday. Now my kids are playing sports on saturday.LOL Oh well, wouldn't miss their games either. God Bless, Campbell

[bgalmania]

Just got a chance to sit down and read the replies to this post. I enjoyed reading everyones thoughts on this subject. Thank you all for your responses. It is nice to be able to talk about matters other than our dogs once in a while. Some might argue that this is not for Religious matters, but I would also like to think that we like to lift up our fellow beaglers in their time of need, for prayers for illnesses, hopelessness, depression, and even in times of death of love ones, and even times to share their joy in Christ. It's nice to be able to talk to others who share common bonds with you. I know there are discussions with other topics that we like to read from time to time and I would hope that this topic would not offend others and is certainly not intended to offend anyone. I know their are other boards for these matters but don't share the same love for the outdoors and the hounds that we feed. If others would like to share their thoughts and don't feel comfortable doing it on this board please feel free to email me at rlstokes@hotmail.com.



God bless,

Rick

[Clyde Gott]

Please allow me to put some things in perspective....

The AKC rule book is a man-made guideline and should be followed (not interpreted) by those who wish to be pleasing to AKC and want to finish an AKC Field Champion.

The Bible (God's Word) is God inspired (God breathed...2 Timothy 3:16 - "All scripture is given by inspiration of God...) and should be followed (not interpreted) by those who wish to be pleasing to God and want to go to heaven.

Please be prepared to have either "quoted" when either is misrepresented by those "unaware" of either's factual content.

Thanks for reading..............

Hey Ernie...thanks for reminding us that the ONLY choices we have to be pleasing to God...are God's choices.

Bev:

"I don't think God is a nitpicker myself. The fact that we (as a majority of people in general) have set aside Sunday to worship Him is a very small thing. The fact that we worship and praise him is a very good thing. I think He will overlook it."

Bev...can we put that quote under Bev chapter 10 and verse 25...speaking of 10:25...Hebrews 10:25 says, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

Bev...who's this "we"??? I thought it was God not "we" that "aside Sunday to worship Him". Act 20:7 - "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together..." And where does it say worshiping God on Sunday is a "small thing"? John 4:24 - "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Lastly...you say, "I think He will overlook it." Are you willing to wager your soul on it? Matthew 16:26 - "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"

You started off, "This is something I rarely speak on..."......please..................

[laal]

I like to read my Bible praying for the Lords help in understanding what I'm going to read, after reading asking him again to help me understand what I have read. I get answers to my prayers.

Good post Bev. Amen (not too loud you know how us Baptist are)

Clyde, you don't know it all.

All sects are different, because they come from men; morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God.
Voltaire

I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.
Socrates,

[Bev]

Well, Clyde, according to some on here, SATURDAY is the Sabbath, so who are you to say it's Sunday? Show me the scripture where Jesus said "on SUNDAY you will go to Clyde's church."

If the Bible were not to be interpreted and then acted upon as interpreted by the individual, then why was Jesus' words written in so many parables? why didn't he just come out and say "Go to the limestone building on the corner of 10th and Emerson Road on SUNDAY and honor me from 9:00 am until noon" instead of "not forsaking the assembly of ourselves together" (as in a prayer service among beaglers and praise given before the trial?)

The "assembly of ourselves together." You can blow all you want to. I see nothing in it that phrase that dictates church, chapel, temple or synagogue. Life must be hard for you - for fear of not living up to every letter of the Bible verbatim, without looking for God's true intent on how he wants us to not only worship him, but treat each other.

Do you feel you treat your fellow man the way Christ would have you? Do you forgive others or do you rely on others to forgive you? Just curious. If you ever have any doubts, then go buy the Bible in the true Hebrew language because somebody interpreted all that into English, lol. Dang, I hope none of them misunderstood a word here or there.

By the way, you owe Jason an apology for the ugly things you said to him and the names you called him. I'm sure he would appreciate an apology in true Christian form. You don't have to do it here. Just call him on the phone or e-mail him like the last time you contacted him.


Amen, Larry. And Hallelujah! Anybody wanna get up and testify?

[bgalmania]

Bev,

This is what I could find on why we gather on Sunday vs Saturday now.


But with Jesus’ atonement, we no longer are required to keep the Law. We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest. We are not under obligation, by Law, to keep it and this goes for the Sabbath as well. It is not a requirement that we keep the Sabbath. If it were, then we would still be under the Law. But, we are not.

Evidence of the Change of Days can be Seen in the NT

Within the New Testament is ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.

Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."
The entire section of Rom. 14:1-12 is worth careful study. Nevertheless, the instructions here are that individuals must be convinced in their own minds about which day they observe for the Lord. If the seventh day Sabbath were a requirement, then the choice would not be mans’, but God’s.

Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."
Notice here that time sequence mentioned. A festival is yearly. A new moon is monthly. A Sabbath is weekly. No one is to judge in regard to this. The Sabbath is defined as a shadow, the reality is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath.

Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."
The first day of the week is Sunday and this is the day the people gathered. This passage can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread (communion) and a message (preaching). Additionally, Luke did not use the Jewish system of counting days: sundown to sundown. He used the Roman system: midnight to midnight. This is a subtle point that shows the Jewish Sabbath system was not the one utilized by Luke.

1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."
Notice here that Paul is directing the churches to meet on the first day of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday. Is this an official worship day set up by the church? You decide.

Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
The New Bible Dictionary says regarding the term, ‘The Lord’s Day’ in Revelation 1:10: "This is the first extant occurrence in Christian literature of heµ kyriakeµ heµmera. The adjectival construction suggests that it was a formal designation of the church’s worship day. As such it certainly appears early in the 2nd century (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, 1. 67).
In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.

I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, we no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ, not under law (Rom. 6:14).


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God bless,

Rick

[Bev]

To reword what I said earlier (because I read it again and saw where it was poorly communicated)

[sudl0w]

Boy, glad to see a few reponses. I was really starting to worry. I also think that the way we behave, and way we act at trials while running dogs can honor him. Keep on writing it is better than reading about politics.

Dean and Taylor Glover: Sudlow Creek Beagles