Pedigrees

[Merv]

Does anyone know of any other place online to make pedigrees, Im having withdrawls.

Merv

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[little will 2]

www.beaglepedigree.com might help. It helped my withdrawals some.

[Merv]

Thanks

[TDOG]

Can you make them there or just find them

[little will 2]

Find them free, make them - 4 generations $5. I just recently started using this site at bglenut's suggestion. I said it helped with my withdrawals not curing me.LOL

[Bev]

SitStay.com doesn't do them anymore?

Actually, any pedigree can be done on an Excel Spreadsheet. Y'all want me to design something simple you can keep on your computer?

[little will 2]

Please Bev, help an old man out. Thanks in advance to a special lady.

[tim robin]

i guess the large pack people must be more dedicated than yall!!! they sure seem to be able to scan registration cerficates and send them to beaglepedigree.com... if we all did the same then beaglepedigree.com would be the best pedigree site out there. so what if you cant make your own pedigrees? the database does it automatically.

[Merv]

Bev, is the creator ever coming back?

[EZKennel]

Pawvillage.com

Check it out

[Bev]

Merv, my youngest son is a programmer. A brilliant kid, but works a ton of hours. The pedigree creator was crumbling and outdated as it was and left the site open to hackers. Chris didn't want it up and I can't blame him. He has a lot of sites that could be affected. It had a lot of pedigrees entered, and they could still be recalled if there was a way to catalogue them (link to each one), but it was a lousy system overall. If a mistake was made there was no way to edit them, if a dog's name was spelled differently in 2 places you only got a partial list from a query (the spelling you requested).

Anyway, Paul knows what code needs to be written and how to import all the old pedigrees into it, but it's pretty code-intensive, and we are waiting on his spare time. So I can say "yeah, it's coming back" but I wouldn't hold up pedigrees waiting on it.

I do hate to see people pay to have them entered into a database, though, because eventually the software for that database will become obsolete, too. Even Windows becomes obsolete. I just installed Windows 7 on my machine. Radical difference in my book.

It would help to know the main interest of folks in having the pedigree service. Do they want it mostly to look up existing pedigrees? To enter breedings to see what they look like? To have one place they know they can find all of their own pedigrees?

[little will 2]

Find existing pedigrees and have one place they know they can find their own.

But we should not abuse the site to enter breedings to see what they look like? That will take up a lot of memory and most of us dont care what the breeding will look like. Let these folks go to another site and pay for it. JMHO

[John Taylor]

Bev

Loved the pedigree creator. Really helped when looking on buying a pup or dog when the owner didn't have the pedigree printed or even know the dog or pups pedigree pass the first or second generation. Even though not all pedigrees were accurate of spelling always correct you had a general idea of what you were looking at especially if you have been in beagling for a while.

Loved it and took it for granted. and regret that some took advantage of it to act like kids. Looking forward to having it back, or some form of it!!!

Thanks for all you do for us and supporting every format in Beagling and respectful Beagler!!!!!!

John

[tim robin]

beaglepedigree.com is free.... scan and email pedigree as attachment and carl post enters all info... dob, akc #, coloring, sire and dame, etc... system automatically creates pedigree with info in database. the more info sent to carl the more detailed pedigrees. if you have certified peds send that too. talk about its nice to trace lineage to the beginning of AKC...

[Ollie Scott]

Bev gets my vote for the HOF because she may do more for beagling than any other----and at no cost to us !!!!!

[Bev]

Ollie, that's sweet.

Seriously, though. I wouldn't discourage anyone from sending pedigrees to Carl, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. I have some ideas on forming a database starting out with SPO dogs since that's what most people here are interested in.

[Merv]

Gosh, I just hope something can be figured out cause I have made hundreds of pedigrees and of course printed none of them.

Merv

[Bev]

Merv, explain what you mean about making "hundreds of pedigrees." Of what dogs? I know you don't have hundreds of dogs yourself. Are some of them potential breedings, other people's dogs?

Another thought for everyone, a pedigree should never go into a database of any kind until the litter has been born. That's misleading people who randomly search pedigrees into thinking certain dogs exist when they really don't. Mock-up pedigrees should be done some other way, and a pedigree database -- whether personal or professional, should try to stay factual and clean.

[Merv]

Yes Bev, I have made a ton of pedigrees for breedings that have never happened. I have also made some for potential breedings that have happened. I like to look at look at the pedigree before making a decision. I have also made pedigrees for 3-4 generations ahead and have made some breedings to try to get these dogs to get to the final result.

Merv

[hunt6]

For all those that cannot sleep over it being down (I can just fine as I had I think three or four on it and I have computer text files on them here and build them on paper mostly ) Why not research the best pedigree software package - s out there first.If a suitable replacement is found take up a kitty - buy it and let Bev install it.

Been out of the computer loop since I retired from it but it may be the pedigrees on the old site could somehow be imported to the new more functional software.If not cut your losses and start over.Got her poor son trying to fix an outdated broken program.It maybe that doing this can be as big a pita as tinkering with the old system dunno.I'm just saying....

Nothing is really ever free as some one always pays for it.Her site is used as a big money maker for different Federations - Groups that sticky at the top spot.It is a for sale your stuff for free place. It serves as a free info dispenser for all of us aka just ask the Rev.
If the horse is owned by another and you wish to ride it now and again then maybe just maybe you should kick in a bag of oats every so often.
Hunt6 David P

[CAP]

Hunt6 wrote “Why not research the best pedigree software package - s out there first”

When I decided to create a pedigree site I spent nearly two months testing out half a dozen PC based pedigree programs and three different web based pedigree programs. I believe the software I chose is by far the most feature rich available. Pedigrees (Simple & Detailed), Sibling Reports, Offspring Reports, Multi-generational Descendant Charts, Photo display and soon to be added Trial Matings that will allow you to save a portable, web compatible HTML copy that can be displayed on either a message board or web site.

A few Points:

1)If you send a scanned copy or digital photo of an AKC Registration or AKC Pedigree Certificate it is entered for free. If you own an AKC dog you probably have the AKC Registration certificate.

2)If you want the pedigree of a dog you don't know or can't have answered by someone on one of the many message boards, you can pay $5 to have four generations researched for you. For $12 you get the pedigree plus we will look up every litter mate to each hound in all four generations of the pedigree. I will add it to the database and email you a nice printable copy. Often those four generations connect to deeper generations which you can simply jump back through by clicking on a name farther back in the pedigree. Choose to display from three to nine generations on a page but you can trace it back as far as hounds are listed.

3)The reason I don't allow direct input into the database is frankly, many people have incorrect information about spellings & titles of hounds and my goal is to have it as accurate as possible. Errors are much easier to catch before they make it into the database. To this end I have bought hundreds of AKC Studbooks.

4)The database software that runs www.BeaglePedigree.com is the most widely used open source commercial database in existence. It is constantly being improved and it is unlikely that it will soon become obsolete without a replacement that is easily migratory.

5)The software that runs the site is also the most widely used open source server language (tens of millions of users). It may evolve into something more advanced but it will not disappear.

6)There are always 3 copies of the database file stored in separate locations to insure the data is never lost.

7)You can email me a digital photo and I will photo-shop it if necessary and add it to the database so it will display in the pedigree. Since the launch last July over 36,000 hounds have been added, many thousands of which are modern SPO type, already making it the largest public database catering to AKC & CKC Field Trial Bloodlines.

8)Between myself and my main contributor we spend upwards of 10 hours per week adding pedigrees and verifying titles. Would I like to offset the hours of time and expenses by generating a little income from the user requested research work. Yes, why not, isn't everyone's time valuable.

9)If there is an option or ability not presently included on the site let me know, I can often add or customize it like I have done with many of them already.

[Bev]

Well, there you have it. It sounds like Carl's got the best thing going right now as far as a permanent database.

If anyone wants me to design a spreadsheet by which they can enter future litters to see what they will look like, that can be easily done.

Here's an example of one done on a spreadsheet:



And if you want to make your own pedigrees printed out, you can copy/paste from the spreadsheet onto a Word Doc, add some pretties, and have something like this:



I can also eventually catalogue all of the pedigrees that were created on this site just as they are (misspellings and all) and list the links to them, but that will take some time.

[CAP]

Bev, That pedigree layout is as nice as most of the PC based commercial pedigree program layouts I've seen. If the Excel/Word combination can be duplicated using Calc/Writer from the open source www.openoffice.org that is a great free alternative for someone only keeping track of a few pedigrees. I know you are familiar with OpenOffice, but for anyone who isn't, it is a very competent facsimile of the Microsoft Office Suite. If you wish you had MS Office but feel like it is cost prohibitive download OpenOffice from the link above. It has its own version similar to Excel, Word, Access & Power Point