from the rev. @g&s?found the answer from vet ..

[rev griffith]

WELL GUYS WE FOUND OUT IT IS,(GIARDIA) our vet sent the blood panel out to a lab trust me guys this isn ot allways easy to detect several test they have to be very active and swimming got the results treating the pups ,now it was a rough week we lost several pups before our vet niped it inthe bud still have one on iv just want to thank all of you for your calls and info. really shows we are all in it for the betterment of the breed , we work really hard at a clean sanitary kennel and this has shown us that you better be on your toes in these kind of heat conditions we are going to build us a pup house they will never see outside till they are 14 to 16 weeeks old treating them with the flagyl or methbanzole for 5 days the vet says only have 2 sick now we have added to there water sulmet as a privintive albon wont touch giarida remeber that we wasted several hundered dollars and 3 good days thanks to everyone who called to help and my 2 buddies Daniel Chapman & Tony Martin for coming by numerous times to help with the load taking care of 65 hounds in these conditions has beat us up guess we are still novices but man we love these little guys ,and guess what it just rained like crazy here and you know where im going short bus getting ready to roll GoDBless to all .

[Google]

[B-Creek]

Good to hear that you know what you had. That is always a plus. I know what you went thru. Been there done that. Hope your others all make it with flying colors and turn out to be FCs Dan

[sctx]

I have to ask why anyone needs or wants 65 beagles. I know its a free country and its none of my concern.

[CHESTNUTGLADE]

I some what the same problem until I put my pups in above ground kennels. I used 1X1 coated wire.

[B-Creek]

sctx, Your right on your statement. I have had that many and more. I had a FC male and about 6 quality females and alot of pups. and yes they produced. I know of at least six pups out of this male and four of these females with places. This was back when there were 40 or 50 entries in each class also. At one time my wife and I were taking care of 70 plus dogs at our kennels, most of which we were sole owners. I wouldn't do it again but I have done it. Dan

[rev griffith]

WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH STEPPING UP TO BREEDING ONLY F.C FEMALES OR AT LEAST THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MIN OF 1 AKC WIN FOR US TO BREED TO TRIAL OR TEST WITH WE WANT TO KEEP THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND START THEM TO ACESS OUR BREEDING ,LITTLE BIT MORE TO EXPLAIN ON INTERNET BUT THE TRAITS WE ARE LOOKING FOR WELL LETS JUST SAY WE KNOW WHAT WE LIKE , NOT ALL 65 AR OUR HOUNDS PROABBLY 50 BUT WE REALLY ENJOY THE PROCESS BUT DOES GET DIFFICULT I COULD HANDLE 70 IN DIFFRENT WEATHER CONDITIONS BUT THE HEAT HAS BEEN 99 FOR 2 WEEKS AND SEVERAL 105 PLUS DAYS HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR ???? SEE YOU THE REV .

[brookbro]

How ya doin Rev?

[vahounds]

sctx,
thats a good question, correct me if i'm wrong if you have 65 dogs and you run 6 dogs in a pack 7 days a week thats 42 dogs, when do the other 23 dogs run?
point being bettering the breed is carefully selecting a quality bitch and breed her to a very capable and quality male and have a educated prediction of the results.
housing 65 dogs and breeding any "quality bred" bitch to 2 stud males and praying some turn out is more of a shot in the dark.

i'm not a breeder but this is my opinion.


oh by the way what are all there names?

and as far as breeding only FC females OR Females with at least 1 AKC lic win, how bout that 14 month old CHOPTALK ROCKETMAN female you had on your website the other day? this was her derby season and i dont know that she's even been in a license trial and you were advertising her for 850 dollars bred to FC Batson Creek Pap?

[rev griffith]

vA hOUNDS SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WELL I DID TALK TO MR BLEVINS ABOUT THE HOUND YOUR REFRENCING AND IF YOU WANT YOU CAN CALL ME BACK AND I WILL CLARIFY ,the hound is no longer for sale as i made the call and got the scoop sorry your disturbed ,now of the 65 dogs here 35 are pups 15 derbies the other 15 are all age dogs ,im running 7 of them now and i promise you i run hounds i have finished 3 ,to which im very thankful for the oppurtunity to do so lots of hard work shot in the dark yes it pretty much is no matter who is doing , sorry you couldnt get the dog for the price you thought it was worth i did not price the dog my buddy did ,he was going on vacation and i took her down so as not to offend anyone till him and i could talk guess what she is now not for sale ,sorry for the post premature or overpriced as you seem to think i Pd. 900.00 for Pap when i bought him wouldnt take 10,000.00 now no joke so what is worth 900.00 or 250.00 in one guys eyes may be in the eyes of the looker at the time the dog was rebought for your info i run 4 or 5 dogs in pack and then solo them as much as possible thanks for being glad i caught the giardia that was killing my pups your welcome to call and discuss what ever it is bothering or your just agreeing with sctx . it is your right sorry for any trouble we might have caused you ... she is a pretty darn good female i ran her today was pretty impressed ,........see you the rev . p.s get the derby trial places on her feild and show my buddy has all that . and i did clarify to you the typo she was suppose to be 750. 00 you forgot to mention that that is what i told you just trying to clarify for you .. my buddy did talk to Mr. Jarvis about her Dam . . .

[B-Creek]

What business is it to anyone else if the man wants to have 65 beagles on his place, it's his business. Ya'll are beginning to sound like the talking heads from the humane society. Last I checked we still live in a free country with the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If 65 beagles make the Rev happy, I'm all for it. I would say from the results he's having, he's on the right track for bettering the breed. None of us even breeding FC's only can guarantee what we will get. It all a bit of a gamble and if it doesn't work out we try something a little different. I'm sure there are alot better things for you guys than to worry about how many dogs some guy has in NC.

[vahounds]

its hard for me to keep my mouth shut, and i'm sorry.
i spoke to Rev on the phone and i happen to think he was a very nice and respectful gentlemen. but B CREEK you hit it on the head "business". thats where things tend to bother me, i dont think this should be a business, it is a hobby, a sport, and an addiction.
i'm not arguing, i dont want any enemies, i consider all of you my friend. i just want to say dont let a dollar get in the way of your pride.

having 10 friends is more valuable than having 20 dollars.
my opinion only!!!!!

[rev griffith]

Va Hounds Apology accepted very good point , ido some times let it become buisness but the last 2 weeks is all because i love to do it spent 400 at vet this last 4 days plus lost 4 doubled mated pups 2 from national feild champion female that is 10 dont know if we will get a hound from her again you have to love it to take blows like this 6 months is long time to wait when i get up at 3.am to change packs it is because i love it , no body getting pd. i do have to have a certain amount of hound funds to do what i love to do thanks for the remarks va hounds call me we will chat about the female i will be running her again in am with a friend from n.c no enemies life is to short i certainlley appreciate your honesty come down we will run some hounds my home is open to you and my kennels as well we also look for ways from others to get the best from every breeding see you buddy ..the rev ..

[845chris]

i see this post wound up with gentleman seeing eye to eye. my post is in furtherance of that. for most of us, we have a small selective breeding and hunting model , by design. we juggle family, kennel space, hunting time, dog/owner individual connections and we fuel our passions. we may work but we realize our companies have a driven, almost obsessed CEO. he has a job within a job, no off button BUT fueled by ambition and love for the job. for a small fraction of men, the husbandry end of beagling is the same. the men of vision of beagling must do what we do not. PD Short and the like didnt find PRO by breeding 2 times a year and let all the beloved dogs sleep on the family couch. they were near obsessive in their plan and they realized numbers and costs affected their vision. in this post, i dont speak of rev or vahounds, but the model HAS spoken for itself. to impact the breed, you have to do that which others are unable-but demand that someone does. chris

[vahounds]

chris i see what you are saying, but not anywhere near the point im intending to make.

[shadowcolt]

I like the looks of the rev dogs myself I got 17 dogs myself I would like to buy a good dog from the rev or do some trade in like a earl shives car deal. I check his site everyday and he is a REV ......... a man of god that means he is honest in my eyes....id like a deluxe jump dog that would go in walmart and turn over buggies ....a true jump dog but i have emailed the rev but you have never got back to me and I hope your pups have no more probs the little fellers nothing worse then seeing your dogs dieing .....

[hardtimes12]

Rev, got up this morning and read your post. Glad you found out what your problem was. The minute I read your other post, Giardia is the first thing I thought of. If you have a good relationship with you vet it would be wise to keep you some Flagyl around the kennel at all times, or the Fishzole in jeffers. I read up on it several years ago and the hot weather, and dogs or pups getting into stagnet water, or even water that has not been changed out often, can harber this mess. Its mean, but I believe you got it by the horns now. Good luck with the rest of them.

Terry Nelson
Hardtimes Kennel

[bvbeagler]

Speaking for myself, I know if I was blessed enough to be able to make this great sport a profession I would! I have been down to Rev. Griffith's twice and the man has a top notch kennel, and by talking to him and his sons you know they're dedicated to what they're doing! You would have to be to keep that many hounds! LOL Keep up the hard work, G&S! Sorry for the loss!

[rev griffith]

Well guys we certainley appreciate your words and welcome anyone to come and spend a day in the feilld with us we spent the whole night and half today running our all age ,hounds Todd Heardon came down at daylight and watched is little driver male that is on our short bus he was very pleased with his progress we have put the tracks on his male in the last 2 weeks except last week no running in day time ,onlynight running we ran him with a couple of our derbies ,off pap ,shadowcolt im going to wal mart they said they saw a G&S bred dog pushing shopping carts around looking for a rabbit ,just have not had a good enough jump dog to call you about what you ask for is what im breeding for looking for remember the best cant be bought you have to breed them still keeping you in mind thanks for the words to all you guys hope you all have as much fun in the feild as we do ,but this keenl is work work right now ,one of twins left with me at 9.pm ,went back at 3 am then back at 6am also ran some here at the house time to clean up cant wait till trial season ..........see you the rev ...

[little will 2]

Rev - class operation and keep trying for bettering the breed. We that do not breed often( maybe once every ten years) appreciate what you and Paul are striving for.

Glad you got pups headed in right direction

[LewisWilson]

Rev:

I'm sure you have probably seen this by now. Some information that may help if this is truly what your pups have. Note especially the part about human infection. Need to be very careful if it is Giardia.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2102&aid=739


Lewis

[B-Creek]

I agree that beagles as a business is not for most people. If I had the facilities to do it and lived in the right area I would try my best to do it. That's just me personally. However it would still be a passion to raise the best dogs I could and start all my pups myself so that I could keep the best for furthering the breed. I'd rather give a dog away and make a friend than sell a cull and make a enemy. Vahounds, I understand where you're coming from though. There are alot of people out there that have let the dollar get in the way of good research and time spent watching dogs run before they breed. I personally would rather breed to a good dog with no title than breed to a FC site unseen just because I think the pups would sell. It takes all of us to better the breed. Some go at it like I once did, by the way, I burnt out after about three of four years of working with that many dogs. Right now I have five, with space for three or four more. I have plans to build another ground pen for exercising pups but that will be all the kennels I have other than a couple out at my starting/running pens to keep new dogs and other peoples dog separated from my kennels. Dan

[cuttinedge]

Keep up the good work Preacher. Glad to hear you got the pups straightened out.
You have a first class facility, and you and the boys put in alot of hard work and hours in the field. I appreciate all you do.


KG

[Nomad]

I have 26 guns and I can only shoot one at a time....two if I am playing. I only have enough hard cases to take 6 to the range at a time. I guess it is wrong for me to have 26. Who decides which 20 I have to get rid of?

[bayou mallet]

Nomad, Obama will take all 26 guns if he has a chance.

[BLEVINS]

I have ben to the Preacher's several times and he has one of the cleanest facilities i have seen.Preacher is a class act.I never hear people on this site bashing him so that is a big statement. It takes alot of work to be successful at any thing, dogs are alot like JUNK one mans trash is another mans FIELD CHAMPION.This post was over the price of a dog.feel free to call vahounds to discuss this female, you should have bought her for 250.00 when you had the chance.i gave 450.00 dollars for NR FC Riveredge Brown Sugar at 8 months old, her derby year she became Resrve National Champion, have since turned down thousands for her time and time again. some dogs abilities change over a short period of time.You just have to spot something in the dog and take a chance.this post is not ment to be negative in any way.buying, selling and trading dogs is all part of the fun,i think everybody on this site has a little bit of dog trader in them!!!!LOL Paul 423-837-4662 423-595-9451